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Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by Guesttttt » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:37 pm

2017cohort wrote:
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:Started Fall 2015

Pay: $60,400
Degree Level: BS
Branch: USMC
Facility: MARCORSYSCOM
Pay System / Level: NH-02/03 Ladder (should hit 03 in about two years)
Effects of Furloughs: None


Just a quick update on this:

Made NH-03 after two years, pay is now $79,644 (equivalent to a GS-12 Step 01). Also got converted to a competitive, Career Conditional appointment.

What was your major ?


Electrical Engineering, but my billet is Electronics Engineer, and my work is a mixture of Test Engineering and Field Support Engineering on my assigned systems. Gives a good mix of getting out with units, messing with my systems in the lab, and getting time to work on side projects. Also has the added benefit of knowing my work is having a direct impact on the fleet.

Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by 2017cohort » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:54 pm

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:Started Fall 2015

Pay: $60,400
Degree Level: BS
Branch: USMC
Facility: MARCORSYSCOM
Pay System / Level: NH-02/03 Ladder (should hit 03 in about two years)
Effects of Furloughs: None


Just a quick update on this:

Made NH-03 after two years, pay is now $79,644 (equivalent to a GS-12 Step 01). Also got converted to a competitive, Career Conditional appointment.

What was your major ?

Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by Guest » Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:52 pm

Guest wrote:Started Fall 2015

Pay: $60,400
Degree Level: BS
Branch: USMC
Facility: MARCORSYSCOM
Pay System / Level: NH-02/03 Ladder (should hit 03 in about two years)
Effects of Furloughs: None


Just a quick update on this:

Made NH-03 after two years, pay is now $79,644 (equivalent to a GS-12 Step 01). Also got converted to a competitive, Career Conditional appointment.

Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by Guest » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:25 pm

Army GS14 Dude wrote:
Guest wrote:Some perspective for the Army GS-14 who keeps telling us his salary.

I left SMART before Phase 2. I had a phd in electrical engineering an an offer from the army for a gs-11 ($57k at the time).

I went to a contractor developing technology that will be fielded by the next generation warfighter... today's tech is too old to be wasting brain cells on. I started at $110k/year. 5 years in and I'm not a gs-14, but I'm telling gs-15s what they should be spending their program dollars on and routinely briefing ses and 1 and 2 stars on future technology. I have better benefits than the civilian army employees, and a better work-life balance than anyone at my old sponsor facility.

Leaving smart was the best decision I could have ever made. For the highly educated, dod is just not a great employer (great customer though...).


Different strokes for different folks. First, this is the "OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD," so it seems odd that you make it seem weird to "keep telling us his salary." I'm trying to provide information for prospective candidates of this program, in part to counterbalance all the negative information given by people on this forum. I am one of a few dozen SMART Scholars at my SF who are all very successful and very happy. It seems like people would want to know both sides. I'm sorry your experience didn't work out so well. I'd like to reference my other post on the forum to give you more of my perspective.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1618&p=10691&sid=f0226da18692027c0c6bc17e6595d832#p10691

Guest wrote:There are many people unhappy with their jobs and many who are. The unhappy ones are the ones who post on here. I'm particularly happy because of three reasons.

1. I work for a facility that does actual research, almost completely in-house, and I've been given latitude, trust, and resources to build whatever research program I want as long as I can connect it to actual public need. I'm on track to get my GS15 in about a year and a half and already starting discussions on my path to ST. I have more influence on national R&D in my field by virtue of my position with the DoD than any single academic professor in the world. I chair international committees on advancing my field and sharing technology. When I speak at any level of my Agency, people listen and consider my input. Part of that is my personal skillset and passion, and part of it is the opportunities afforded me by my SF. I make less than my academic colleagues, but not much less and they work way harder than I do chasing after NSF scraps. I harness funds directed from congress to advance R&D and end up with so much money its sometimes difficult to figure out how to spend it all appropriately.
2. I don't owe a dime to anyone for my PhD, and I made upwards of $60K during the three years of my Phase 1.
3. I would never have considered working for the DoD if not forced to by this program. I'm extremely happy with my position and opportunities and am not considering leaving ever.

Having said all that, I don't think the program had anything to do with 1 or 3, not really. It was all luck and my choosing a good SF to put on my application. Honestly, even the one that selected me didn't research what they said on their website, so I got a job researching something completely outside my (then) interest areas. I just happened upon a great SF with a great branch chief and a lot of opportunity to contribute to an emerging research area. I recognize most people don't fall into a luck puddle like I did. But, DoD service is largely what you make of it and you can always move around within the DoD until you find what you're looking for.


To the easy paycheck person, I probably put in 50-60 hours a week and travel 25% of the time. If that's easy then I'm glad I'm not married to you.

- "Army GS14 person"

Depends on your facility really, I know a ton of people that work 40 hrs 9-5 and get their paycheck so to me that's easy money

Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by interested » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:52 pm

Do you mind if I contact you about DoD research? I'm going into a three year Phase 2 commitment next June with my BS/MS program funded through SMART, but it is a non-research position. Mainly I'm just wondering how to best set myself up for doing research in the future. An email you can reach me at is whenwework at gmail dot com.

Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by Army GS14 Dude » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:12 am

Guest wrote:Some perspective for the Army GS-14 who keeps telling us his salary.

I left SMART before Phase 2. I had a phd in electrical engineering an an offer from the army for a gs-11 ($57k at the time).

I went to a contractor developing technology that will be fielded by the next generation warfighter... today's tech is too old to be wasting brain cells on. I started at $110k/year. 5 years in and I'm not a gs-14, but I'm telling gs-15s what they should be spending their program dollars on and routinely briefing ses and 1 and 2 stars on future technology. I have better benefits than the civilian army employees, and a better work-life balance than anyone at my old sponsor facility.

Leaving smart was the best decision I could have ever made. For the highly educated, dod is just not a great employer (great customer though...).


Different strokes for different folks. First, this is the "OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD," so it seems odd that you make it seem weird to "keep telling us his salary." I'm trying to provide information for prospective candidates of this program, in part to counterbalance all the negative information given by people on this forum. I am one of a few dozen SMART Scholars at my SF who are all very successful and very happy. It seems like people would want to know both sides. I'm sorry your experience didn't work out so well. I'd like to reference my other post on the forum to give you more of my perspective.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1618&p=10691&sid=f0226da18692027c0c6bc17e6595d832#p10691

Guest wrote:There are many people unhappy with their jobs and many who are. The unhappy ones are the ones who post on here. I'm particularly happy because of three reasons.

1. I work for a facility that does actual research, almost completely in-house, and I've been given latitude, trust, and resources to build whatever research program I want as long as I can connect it to actual public need. I'm on track to get my GS15 in about a year and a half and already starting discussions on my path to ST. I have more influence on national R&D in my field by virtue of my position with the DoD than any single academic professor in the world. I chair international committees on advancing my field and sharing technology. When I speak at any level of my Agency, people listen and consider my input. Part of that is my personal skillset and passion, and part of it is the opportunities afforded me by my SF. I make less than my academic colleagues, but not much less and they work way harder than I do chasing after NSF scraps. I harness funds directed from congress to advance R&D and end up with so much money its sometimes difficult to figure out how to spend it all appropriately.
2. I don't owe a dime to anyone for my PhD, and I made upwards of $60K during the three years of my Phase 1.
3. I would never have considered working for the DoD if not forced to by this program. I'm extremely happy with my position and opportunities and am not considering leaving ever.

Having said all that, I don't think the program had anything to do with 1 or 3, not really. It was all luck and my choosing a good SF to put on my application. Honestly, even the one that selected me didn't research what they said on their website, so I got a job researching something completely outside my (then) interest areas. I just happened upon a great SF with a great branch chief and a lot of opportunity to contribute to an emerging research area. I recognize most people don't fall into a luck puddle like I did. But, DoD service is largely what you make of it and you can always move around within the DoD until you find what you're looking for.


To the easy paycheck person, I probably put in 50-60 hours a week and travel 25% of the time. If that's easy then I'm glad I'm not married to you.

- "Army GS14 person"

Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by Guest » Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:23 pm

Guest wrote:Some perspective for the Army GS-14 who keeps telling us his salary.

I left SMART before Phase 2. I had a phd in electrical engineering an an offer from the army for a gs-11 ($57k at the time).

I went to a contractor developing technology that will be fielded by the next generation warfighter... today's tech is too old to be wasting brain cells on. I started at $110k/year. 5 years in and I'm not a gs-14, but I'm telling gs-15s what they should be spending their program dollars on and routinely briefing ses and 1 and 2 stars on future technology. I have better benefits than the civilian army employees, and a better work-life balance than anyone at my old sponsor facility.

Leaving smart was the best decision I could have ever made. For the highly educated, dod is just not a great employer (great customer though...).

For those people that want an easy paycheck the DOD is a wonderful employer

Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by Guest » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:27 pm

Some perspective for the Army GS-14 who keeps telling us his salary.

I left SMART before Phase 2. I had a phd in electrical engineering an an offer from the army for a gs-11 ($57k at the time).

I went to a contractor developing technology that will be fielded by the next generation warfighter... today's tech is too old to be wasting brain cells on. I started at $110k/year. 5 years in and I'm not a gs-14, but I'm telling gs-15s what they should be spending their program dollars on and routinely briefing ses and 1 and 2 stars on future technology. I have better benefits than the civilian army employees, and a better work-life balance than anyone at my old sponsor facility.

Leaving smart was the best decision I could have ever made. For the highly educated, dod is just not a great employer (great customer though...).

Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by Guest » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:45 am

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:$83k+ moving exp (PCS)
PhD
Army
GS 12-7
No furlough (civil service)
Hired 2013


Update: 3 years in
$97K, GS 13-6


Update: 4 years in
$102K, GS 14-1

Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by Guest1234 » Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:45 am

Guestwhoitis wrote:
Guest1234 wrote:Started work at the beginning of FY 2017.

Pay: ~$77,000
Degree Level: Master's (completed)
Branch: Air Force
Facility: AFRL
Pay System / Level: DR-01
Effects of Furloughs: None



Did you negotiate your starting salary?


I did not negotiate. This was the first/only offer I received and it is way better than what I would have gotten on the GS scale (~$49k). My supervisor told me the offer was representative of what he thought I was worth/ my market value based on my resumé. Though I have a feeling most MS grads hired into AFRL probably get the same starting pay as long as they are in a job using Lab Demo (the DR scale/bands). I have no idea though since I don't know anyone else hired in AFRL straight out of grad school. If I remember correctly, my pay is almost within the DR-02 band? Something like that.

Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by Guestwhoitis » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:22 am

Guest1234 wrote:Started work at the beginning of FY 2017.

Pay: ~$77,000
Degree Level: Master's (completed)
Branch: Air Force
Facility: AFRL
Pay System / Level: DR-01
Effects of Furloughs: None



Did you negotiate your starting salary?

Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by Guest1234 » Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:54 pm

Started work at the beginning of FY 2017.

Pay: ~$77,000
Degree Level: Master's (completed)
Branch: Air Force
Facility: AFRL
Pay System / Level: DR-01
Effects of Furloughs: None

Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by BIOEphd » Fri Feb 03, 2017 3:18 pm

guestagain - Did you start at GS 11 step 6? Or did you work your way up from GS 11 step 1? If you started there, how did you negotiate that?

Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by guestagain » Thu May 19, 2016 9:32 am

Started Summer 2015

Pay: $74,000
Degree Level: PhD
Branch: Army
Facility: Leaving blank, following 2012_cohort's lead
Pay System / Level: GS 11 Step 6
Effects of Furloughs: None

At 1 year (so very shortly) I will get bumped to GS 12 Step 2.

Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by 2012_cohort » Tue May 03, 2016 11:34 pm

Pay: about $64,000
Degree Level: Ph.D., Physics
Branch: DoD
Facility: Probably overkill, but leaving this blank due to OPSEC.
Pay System / Level: GG11 step 3
Effects of Furloughs: None

I was hired as a GG11 step 1 in 2014, with the understanding that I was bring hired into a GG13 billet and would be noncompetitively promoted once per year based strictly on my performance. Unfortunately that same year, a major budget crunch hit. After that, "noncompetitive" got reinterpreted by a national-level leadership that watched the Hunger Games and thought it would make a great HR strategy. They instituted tiny promotion quotas and after almost three years I'm still a GG11.

On the other hand, my commitment has expired and frankly the defense contractor job market for STEM types with clearances is so good that essentially by accident I got an offer that doubled my salary. I will thus shortly be leaving government employment. Which I genuinely have mixed feelings about - my SF is an extremely interesting, enjoyable, and (by government standards) caring place to work. If pay had been even remotely competitive with the rest of the market, I'd have probably stayed several more years.

Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by Guest » Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:19 pm

Started Fall 2015

Pay: $60,400
Degree Level: BS
Branch: USMC
Facility: MARCORSYSCOM
Pay System / Level: NH-02/03 Ladder (should hit 03 in about two years)
Effects of Furloughs: None

Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by Guest » Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:24 pm

In 2010
64,500 w/ locality + Moving Bonus
BS Engineering
Air Force - NSPS pay system

Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by Guest » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:55 pm

Guest wrote:$83k+ moving exp (PCS)
PhD
Army
GS 12-7
No furlough (civil service)
Hired 2013


Update: 3 years in
$97K, GS 13-6

Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by guest » Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:15 pm

Any salary updates ?

Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by guest18 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:00 pm

Furloughs are now over. Just FYI

Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by Guest » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:39 pm

$83k+ moving exp (PCS)
PhD
Army
GS 12-7
No furlough (civil service)
Hired 2013

Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by Guest » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:34 am

Guest2121 your 7 years of experience at SF will factor in to your starting salary.

Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by Guest2121 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:27 am

I am just entering the SMART program this year as a retention candidate in pursuit of my PhD. My SF shared with me that they bring PhDs onboard as low ND-04s, basically $65K per year. I have worked for the SF for approximately 7 years, and I already earn $83K per year. Basically, many engineers and scientists with Bachelor degrees make as much or even more than those with PhDs in government. I am pursuing the PhD for life after government service.

Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by guestivusMaximus » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:53 am

Pay : $65,000
Degree Level: BA/BS
Branch: USACE
Facility: ERDC
Pay System / Level : Lab Demo /DB2
Effects of Furloughs: I work a 4x10 shift, and the furloughs have caused me to lose 8 hours a week, plus 2 extra hours a week of LWOP.

I have been told that my GS equivalent is "GS-11", but I have never seen anything set in stone. I have 8 years of military experience with 3 years in Iraq and Afghanistan. The only benefit that I get from my military service is 6 hours of leave a pay period, but outside of that it counts for nothing. Since recruited in SMART I have learned that SMART students do not qualify for Long Term Training, Student Loan Repayment Programs, Tuition Assistance or any regular incentive programs; until AFTER they fulfill their SMART commitment. My perspective is that SMART is seen by my facility primarily as a "free labor" program, where they get free internship work, and low cost labor after graduation because of the service commitment. I would NOT recommend SMART to anyone.

Re: *** OFFICIAL POST YOUR PAY THREAD ***

Post by Guest » Fri Jul 19, 2013 7:48 pm

GS 11 step 2
PhD EE
Army
Furlough: 11 days total

Retention participant. Was promoted to GS 11 two years ago when I got my MS (It took the better part of a year). Received no promotion for the PhD. My supervisor wants to give me GS-12 but HR is blocking it for a year. When I contacted SMART about it they said they are not involved with employment or salaries at SFs.

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